Okay this is going to be a bit of a mixture, mainly because writing 3 short reports seems pointless when I can cover everything in one slightly longer post and trying to not spend too much of my day in front of a computer screen.
Firstly congratulations to Delicious in Warrington who have been granted a license. People were trying to use the Kids Planet Day Nursery as an excuse not to grant a license but fortunately the councillors had the common sense to realise that nursery and club would be open at completely different times. Same old argument, same old reason to disregard it but we will no doubt see it again.
Now in the news Farage of UKIP has been into a Lap Dance club shock horror... And the leader of the most sexually free party is a member of Fawcett. Well the greens were but now guessing that title may end up with UKIP (whod of thunk it). Thanks to eagle eyed commentators over this. This site needs to pick up on everything that is going on and we have limited resources so as a reminder or a pointer to others email@example.com
So the battle goes on and on, had a discussion with a lady who posts on Mumsnet. She is a neighbour of a dancer and has become much more understanding since talking to her and realising that dancers are human beings with thoughts, desires and minds of their own. Hope the suggestion about religion gave you a starting block to raise discussions.
And here are all the arguments (again) Concise form so hopefully to people who are wondering about what to answer when asked questions.
Clubs cause rape, I read it in a report. That would be the Lilith report and the figures were out of context, not examined in conjunction with population growth and there was no control sample to offer a comparison.
Seen that sexual assaults increase around clubs and it wasn't Lilith. This would be Bristol were 3 of the venues are located in the middle of the night time economy it what the police call a crime impact zone. The council assign no blame to clubs and I have seen figures that show the nightclubs are more likely to cause this type of crime by a magnitude of up to 10 times.
People don't want them. In Prof Hubbard's research on 3% of people said there was no place for them at all.
They shouldn't be near schools or churches. Not many schools operate at night with young children nor many religions hold services late at night. So no one is going to see anything, besides the lay out of the clubs is usually such that a casual glance in from outside would reveal nothing.
How do I explain what goes on to my children? Well what do you tell them about pubs? Adults go there for a drink and enjoyment. People make difficulties for themselves trying to justify their moral judgements.
The dancers are trafficked. No club was raided during Pentameter or Pentameter II the 2 high profile investigations into trafficking.
The dancers do it as they can't do anything else. Actually 87% of dancers have some form of higher education and around one third of dancers are funding their way through university rather than end up with crippling debts.
The dancers are exploited. In the same way that anyone earning a living is exploited, unfortunately to earn money people work and most jobs cause exploitation of some sort. The dancers now have the option though of joining either Equity or the GMB so at least there is representation. Plus the councils issue guidelines that clubs need to follow to look after the dancers.
The strippers are prostitutes grinding on men's laps. This fallacy is one that occurs because of the word lapdance, in the past it was true but now the guidelines say that dancers can't touch the customer and obviously the customer can't touch the dancer so quite how something sexual happens with no contact I am not sure.
Objectification is wrong. I am not going to even try and deny that a level of objectification occurs but we are talking about a process where a man (or woman) views someone as a potential sexual partner. Even though we know that we will not have sex with the person when we look at people we at a subconscious level judge them. Clothes on or off make up on or off it is as natural as breathing. But people are making good money out of of getting everyone wound up over it.
Finally a question that is always asked by people when they run out of arguments and want to turn it personal how would you feel if it was your daughter/wife/mother now I can't answer for others but for me if any member of my family wanted to dance then I would back them 100% to do whatever they wanted. The question is why would people not support members of their family doing what they want? Obviously they don't really care about that person and their own morals are more important than the feelings and desires of a family member.
Edited due to a typo.